Chief Rerolls

[mrweasely]

There was some disagreement yesterday concerning the number of hunt rerolls when the Nazgul Chief sat upon the Fellowship. One school of thought held that there was only one re-roll, as his special ability (n nazgul = n rerolls) superseded the usual "n nazgul = 1 reroll" rule. Another held that there were two rerolls, because both rules are still in effect, and all rerolls from all rules are naturually summed. Which is correct?

[Veldrin]

Each Nazgûl provides one reroll (not an additional one above the one gained for having any number of Nazgûl in the Region.

Nazgûl in Region= 1
Nazgûl and WK in Region= 2
2 Nazgûl in Region= 2
2 Nazgûl and Wk in Region= 3
3 Nazgûl in Region= 3

and so on...

[glow=green,2,300]Veldrin[/glow]

[mrweasely]

Really? So rerolls from various rules aren't combined by '+'?

To follow that to its absurd conclusion: Chief + Orc + Moria => 1 reroll, since the Chief's ability overrides the other reroll rules, and in this case actually decreases the number of rerolls.... Wierd.


I think the only possible internally consistant interpretation is:

Chief = 2
Chief + {pick 1 of Nazgul, Orc, Stronghold} = 3
Chief + {pick 2 of Nazgul, Nazgul, Orc, Stronghold} = 4
Chief + {pick 3 of Nazgul, Nazgul, Nazgul, Orc, Stronghold} = 5
etc.

[SevenSpirits]

The only issue is that the ability is not phrased precisely. What it should say is "If the Witch-King is in play, each Nazgul in the region with the Fellowship grants one reroll (instead of only the first Nazgul granting a reroll)."

I guess the designers thought that the part I have in parentheses was self-evident, and the inflection of "each" is lost in the unformatted card text.

[mrweasely]

Good one! Hey, I can make up parenthetical rules addendums that support any argument too, then say the designers ommitted them because they were self evident. Try this one, for example:

The only issue is that the ability is not phrased precisely. What it should say is "If the Witch-King is in play, each Nazgul in the region with the Fellowship grants one reroll (in addition to the first Nazgul granting a reroll as per the original rules)."

The inflection of each to which you refer turns out to not exist either in the card text nor in the rulebook. Not that it supports any particular interpetation either. There's just no textual definition of how to stack reroll abilities anywhere in either rulebooks or cards. So what actual evidence is there that The Chief by himself camped on the FSP provides any fewer than 2 rerolls? Playtest emails I think would be fine at resolving this, as would a ruling.

[SevenSpirits]

Good one! Hey, I can make up parenthetical rules addendums that support any argument too, then say the designers ommitted them because they were self evident.

But you would know you are making it up, whereas I know I am correct.

And no, I did not say that it was at any time phrased accurately. I said that's how it should have been phrased.