Not having played the Gondor scenario much myself yet, I find the split of opinion on the balance of the game interesting. Several posters at BGG and Consimworld have stated that they can see no way for the Shadow player to win against a competent Gondorian player. Anyone have any insight on what lies behind the difference of opinion?
I have only lost once as the shadow player. My mistake was building too big of an army and not being able to move them all in place on time. Take Osgiliath as fast a possible. Also, you must attack the gate. If the player has all character dice, then trebuchets might be helpful, if not the FP can get rid of damage counters faster than trebs can deliver them, or a single attack with siege. All games were extremely close. Hence the balance.
Post by SevenSpirits on Jan 11, 2008 8:45:30 GMT 1
I think the main game is way better than the other two. I find the other two pretty random because of the very high stakes of each battle; often the FP's entire army is fighting and if they lose it's a blowout. I am not sure which I prefer between Rohan and Gondor. I think the Gondor map (specifically Osgiliath, Cair Andros and Minas Tirith) are pretty broken in their design. I really don't like the stronghold rules and too much hinges on the initial battles on the river. On the other hand, the fate track in Gondor is a lot better and more balanced than what happens in Rohan.
The Rohan scenario seems the most balanced in my playings. I don't know if I've stumbled onto a competant Rohan strategy or just bad Isengard play, but each game was close (10 plays, 5 wins for each).
The Gondor game is frustrating to me. I haven't seen Shadow win yet! (9 plays, 9 Gondor wins). My last game I purposely cheated as the Shadow just to see if it was possible for them to win. I changed action dice when bad ones were rolled and rerolled 0 combat hits (which happens way too often). The Shadow did win that one, but only after using a Dense Fog on Theoden as he tried to retake Minas Tirith.
Twilight I've played a little more than the others. The expansion really helps the Free Peoples (8 wins to 5 Shadow wins), but on the computer version, I just don't do as well (0 Free wins, 3 shadow wins).
Post by genghissean on Jan 14, 2008 14:27:31 GMT 1
9 wins? I wonder if you are missing something major? Like using tokens as dice instead of "passing options". Or forgetting the shadow get leadership tokens as well as Nazgul. I would suggest re reading the rules and maybe you will find something. Or simply the shadow player has not played well. It definately is VERY challenging to play the shadow. But 0 wins? I cant even fathom that.
Thanks for the suggestions, but I'm nearly positive I'm playing it right. I've browsed these boards, the BGG boards, and the FF website for rules questions and strategy suggestions many times over the last year. I even checked the FAQ before my first playing, so I didn't even make some of the mistakes most newbies make.
It's highly possible that the Shadow Player is a moron, as I've only played the game solo. I would appreciate any strategy tips for the Gondor scenario (or even the Rohan scenario, as I don't have the overwhelming victories for Saruman that many people have mentioned).
Post by genghissean on Mar 13, 2008 22:51:14 GMT 1
I seriously repent. Gondor Scenario is balanced for the 1st two games. Then its seriously broken. I have rewritten the rules (see "Gondor for experts" which should really be called "Gondor for anyone who has played twice"). After serveral plays, all my opponents agree the game is very exciting and balanced now. But with base rules, not a chance. For instance, 5 trebs will hit aver. 1.67. If a "good" player is FP, he will have saved his "rebuild gate" card. thus it will take 3 musters and 6 army dice just to reduce the gate to 0. Useless. Towers, with leaders will deliver 2 hits per attack. The FP will be able to "rally" away an aver. of at least 3 hits AFTER EVERY attack. the game is Vegas Odds broken. With a little altering (again see new rules) it can be very exciting and fun. Try the rules and let me know.