Declaring + Balrog + Healing Question

[Goodgulf the Grey]

If the Fellowship declares in Lorien with 0 Corruption and their path traces through Moria while the Balrog is in play then the Balrog gets to draw a tile. If that tile is 1 + Reveal then the Fellowship is not revealed (Balrog ability doesn't reveal) and they take 1 damage.

Now can the Fellowship heal this corruption since they just declared in Lorien this turn? I would think so since the damage occurred "on the way" to Lorien.

I would like an official ruling though...

[SevenSpirits]

I have another question to add to that. Actually, several.

Say Gollum is the guide when I declare through Moria into Lorien and draw a Balrog tile, and I use his ability to reveal to prevent 1 damage. What happens?

Now modify that scenario: A Balrog is Come has been played, and the Balrog is in Dimrill Dale. Do I draw a tile for revealing through Moria?

Now change it again: The Balrog is with a Shadow army besieging Lorien. I declare in Lorien, and use Gollum to reveal against the Balrog tile. Am I now revealed in Lorien?


One more: I declare in Lorien, which is besieged by the Balrog. The tile drawn in Smeagol. Will smeagol immediately desert the Fellowship, or have they already entered Lorien? (If they haven't, how did they draw the tile?)

And a final basic question: What happens first when I declare in Lorien besieged by the Balrog: heal one, or draw a tile?

[Veldrin]

goodgulf said:

If the Fellowship declares in Lorien with 0 Corruption and their path traces through Moria while the Balrog is in play then the Balrog gets to draw a tile. If that tile is 1 + Reveal then the Fellowship is not revealed (Balrog ability doesn't reveal) and they take 1 damage.

Now can the Fellowship heal this corruption since they just declared in Lorien this turn? I would think so since the damage occurred "on the way" to Lorien.

I would like an official ruling though...

I would assume you are right for the same reason as Sméagol was deemed eligible for a random draw/scrifice if Declaring in say Woodland Realm and moving through the Balrog.

The Fellowship reaches Lorien with 1 Corruption and once htere can heal it.

[glow=green,2,300]Veldrin[/glow]

[Veldrin]

sevenspirits said:

Say Gollum is the guide when I declare through Moria into Lorien and draw a Balrog tile, and I use his ability to reveal to prevent 1 damage. What happens?

I'd rule that you can't use his ability ro reveal sine you already Declared but it is an interesting question.

It could be the reverse since any Reveals drawn after having Declared are ignored.

sevenspirits said:

Now modify that scenario: A Balrog is Come has been played, and the Balrog is in Dimrill Dale. Do I draw a tile for revealing through Moria?

Yes (assuming the Reveal icon isn't ignored due to the Fellowship allready Declared in Lórien), you always draw a tile when being revealed through a Shadow Stronghold.

sevenspirits said:

Now change it again: The Balrog is with a Shadow army besieging Lorien. I declare in Lorien, and use Gollum to reveal against the Balrog tile. Am I now revealed in Lorien?

See answer to question one.

sevenspirits said:

One more: I declare in Lorien, which is besieged by the Balrog. The tile drawn in Smeagol. Will smeagol immediately desert the Fellowship, or have they already entered Lorien? (If they haven't, how did they draw the tile?)

He'd be the guide to sneak past the Balrog into Lorien and then he'd be eliminated.

sevenspirits said:

And a final basic question: What happens first when I declare in Lorien besieged by the Balrog: heal one, or draw a tile?

Tile first then heal.

[glow=green,2,300]Veldrin[/glow]

[Veldrin]

I have asked Roberto for an official ruling.

[glow=green,2,300]Veldrin[/glow]

[cybernex]

If the Fellowship declares in Lorien with 0 Corruption and their path traces through Moria while the Balrog is in play then the Balrog gets to draw a tile. If that tile is 1 + Reveal then the Fellowship is not revealed (Balrog ability doesn't reveal) and they take 1 damage.

Now can the Fellowship heal this corruption since they just declared in Lorien this turn? I would think so since the damage occurred "on the way" to Lorien.

I would like an official ruling though...

Yes, the Fellowship is healed immediately following the Declaration. The damage happens "during" the Declaration itself. The logical rationale that the damage "already happened" also works well, which is nice :-)

[cybernex]

Say Gollum is the guide when I declare through Moria into Lorien and draw a Balrog tile, and I use his ability to reveal to prevent 1 damage. What happens?

You can't reveal as you already declared. [Essentially the logic is that whenever you declare in Lorien, you ARE there and the Hunt tiles you look at are things which happened before, essentially a "flashback" in the story. This is the same reasoning which brought the rule to ignore the Reveal icon after declaring.]

Now modify that scenario: A Balrog is Come has been played, and the Balrog is in Dimrill Dale. Do I draw a tile for revealing through Moria?

I am not sure if I understand all the implications of the question, maybe I am too stupid but I'd say Kristofer is right unless there's some deep implication which I don't get at the moment.

Now change it again: The Balrog is with a Shadow army besieging Lorien. I declare in Lorien, and use Gollum to reveal against the Balrog tile. Am I now revealed in Lorien?

You can't use Gollum for Revealing if you are declaring.

One more: I declare in Lorien, which is besieged by the Balrog. The tile drawn in Smeagol. Will smeagol immediately desert the Fellowship, or have they already entered Lorien? (If they haven't, how did they draw the tile?)

Yes, Smeagol deserts as they enter Lorien (he joined the Fellowship during Declaration and left as soon as the Declaration is complete).

And a final basic question: What happens first when I declare in Lorien besieged by the Balrog: heal one, or draw a tile?

You first complete all the events connected to the Declaration (you have to go through that Balrog, don't you? Then you resolve the events which are the consequence of having declared in the City/Stronghold (e.g. Smeagol leaving or healing).

Please let me know if by these rulings I created any more inconsistencies hopefully not!

[Goodgulf the Grey]

Thanks Roberto and Kristopher! Those rulings make sense to me