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Post by caedes on May 12, 2006 11:11:11 GMT 1
Hi all
Just for the sake of clarity: ¿Maneuver Dice are NOT considered Combat Dice, right?
So, suppose the next example: an army of 4 Mordor Orcs & 1 Olog-hai attacks, playing the "eye" tactic. The FP players uses a " Great confusion" card, so it makes "the opponent rolls two fewer Combat Dice, to a minimum of one". Since the SP was already rolling 4 maneuver & 1 Combat Dice, ¿does the card no effect? ¿does it remove the remaining CD?
And, ¿When should a player choose the card to play along with the "card" tactic? I suppose AFTER viewing the other player tactic. In that case, the example above makes not much sense, since the FP would select another, more useful card to play. But, then again, what if that is his only card remaining? MUST he play it?
I think I've messed all up a bit, sorry, question come to mind as I'm posting.
Thanks
Caedes
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Veldrin
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Post by Veldrin on May 12, 2006 11:28:01 GMT 1
1. Maneouver dice and Combat dice are both modified when the opponent limits your number of dice since out of your Combat dice a certain number double as maneouver dice.
You can never roll more maneouvre dice than you roll combat dice.
2. After both players have revealed their Tactics token the player(s) that chose to play a card picks the(ir) card(s). If both player chose to play cards they are chosen secretly and revealed simultaneously.
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Post by caedes on May 12, 2006 13:51:01 GMT 1
So:
1. Since Maneuver dice are also Combat dice, the "Great confusion" card would remove two dices from the SP attack, ¿right?
2. We get this well. What about the card play itself? Is it mandatory? Must you use a card even though it will be useless, if you have chosen "card" tactic?
Thanks a lot, Veldrin
Caedes
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Veldrin
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Post by Veldrin on May 12, 2006 18:23:48 GMT 1
1. The Combat event Great Confusion removes two Combat (and possible Maneouver) dice from the opponents roll.
2. From the English rules (page 15):
"If a player has chosen the Combat Event token, he may play a Combat card from his hand."
The word "may" suggests that it is voluntary to play a card after chosing the Combat card Tactics token.
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Post by mcfly on May 12, 2006 20:04:29 GMT 1
"You can never roll more maneouvre dice than you roll combat dice." Are you sure of this Veldrin, i can't read since anywhere and i can't why you couldnt.
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Post by astartes on May 12, 2006 20:40:55 GMT 1
Do all maneover dice score hits in the usual way aswell as their bonus effect when successful? So say 3 Olog Hai attack, rolling 3 5s. They score 2 hits due to the special ability, then the 3 more hits in accordance to usual rules?
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uthoroc
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Post by uthoroc on May 12, 2006 22:49:31 GMT 1
Yes, they would, astartes. Maneuver dice are always also combat dice (just with an additional meaning) and function like those in the normal way. And McFly, it simply means that you're limited to the normal number of dice you have in combat. If you attack with 5 Uruks and use their maneuver, you roll 5 dice which work for both combat and maneuver. And if the amount of combat dice gets reduced through a card, so are the maneuver dice (despite still having 5 Uruks). I hope this is even remotely understandable.
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Post by mcfly on May 13, 2006 8:57:46 GMT 1
OK thanks, i just did not understand the sentence then...
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Post by madwoffen on May 19, 2006 13:28:36 GMT 1
Ok, this isn't clear at all in the french rulebook (didn't read the master yet and still have to play a game (prolly this week-end).
1st point I f I understand well this thread, a maneuver dice as a double effect: it is the maneuver in itself but it also is a combat dice ?
So a sucessfull "hit" with a maneuver dice will imply damage to enemy + activation of the special capacity of a unit.
2nd point
Just to be clear about the confusion of Veldrin's sentence (You can never roll more maneouvre dice than you roll combat dice.): there are no limits in maneuver dice vs normal combat dices according to uthoroc ?
So in fact, my attack dices can be formed by 4 maneuver/attack dices and 1 attack dice. Am I right ?
This thing about maneuver being also combat dices aren't clear at all in the french rulebook, they just state "replace a combat dice by a maneuver dice". So in my head, only units with a combat force of 2 or more were able to fight and maneuver as well.
Maybe it could be judicious to mention it in the FAQ ? Thank you for the answer.
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Post by mcfly on May 19, 2006 14:12:25 GMT 1
You understand well madwoffen, for the both points. I also have the french rules and it is really not clear in, as you said.
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uthoroc
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Post by uthoroc on May 21, 2006 9:12:00 GMT 1
It's not really that clear in the German or English rules either, but i becomes obvious from context (like the otherwise useless archer manuever). I guess I was just lucky that the confusing interpretation never occured to me...
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