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Post by Darok on Oct 22, 2004 10:35:19 GMT 1
What I dont undestand is that page 13 of the manual also states that Leaders/Characters can stay behind with the rearguard and remain out of the battle. There is no mention that they must all attack because they are considered leaders of the army (I see the FAQ more suitable in cases where the Army with leaders is defending, thus they are forced to defend together.)
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Post by Veldrin on Oct 22, 2004 10:53:50 GMT 1
Yes, they can stay behind in the rear guard but only if there is a rear guard. For there to be a rear guard there must be at least one unit left with the Leaders.
As for not using the Leaders when attacking through a Character Die you need one Leader participating in the Attack the rest can stay in the rear guard if there is rear guard, this is also covered on page 13 (first sentence, top right).
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Post by Darok on Oct 22, 2004 11:20:19 GMT 1
Thanks! I'm finally clear about it now. We have really been going in different directions. My focus was "can leaders not participate in combat?" while yours was "leaders cannot stay behind without any units".
Anyway, let me conclude by confirming that all leaders/characters can stay in the rearguard(with at least 1 other unit) in non Character Action Die activated combat situations but at least 1 leader/character must participate in the combat if the army it was in was activated by a Character Action Die.
Thanks for all the patient replies!
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Post by Veldrin on Oct 22, 2004 11:24:31 GMT 1
No problem, glad to help when I can...
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Post by Corvo on Oct 22, 2004 11:35:03 GMT 1
Just checking if I got this right:
* A companion can move freely about (being immune to attacks etc.) * When companion(s) enters a region with an army he is automatically attached. * When an army enters a region with companion(s) the army is automatically lead by the companion(s). * When using a character die the companion(s) can move away freely (thus detaching). * When using a muster die for movement the army can move away leaving the companion(s) behind (thus detaching). * When having the option to move into a captured/conquered region the companion(s) can stay behind (thus detaching). * HOWEVER when choosing army units for an attack, a rearguard may be created but it MUST consist out of atleast 1 regular/elite plus any amount of leaders/companion(s). (thus not able to detach).
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So, if this is the ruling. I can live with that. The companions are still able to move about alone and stuff like that. They just cannot detach during an attack. Simple.
Whooo... I think I got it.
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Post by Veldrin on Oct 22, 2004 16:46:41 GMT 1
Everything is correct except this: * When using a muster die for movement the army can move away leaving the companion(s) behind (thus detaching). You meant an Army die Also add this: * When using a character die for moving the army the Companion(s) can stay in the original Region if at least one other Leader/Companion leads the army into the new Region (thus detaching). [glow=green,2,300]Veldrin[/glow]
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Post by Corvo on Oct 22, 2004 18:00:48 GMT 1
Crystal clear and thanks!
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Post by redsimon on Oct 23, 2004 18:18:25 GMT 1
Does that mean leaders and companions/minons can only be destroyed in combat if you don't leave any reaguard behind? Because otherwise, if all atacking units are destroyed, the leaders would survive with the rearguard? Or is it completely different and only leaders participating (by supporting with re-rolls) can be destroyed in combat and all others do just sit on their asses in the region the attack was launched from?
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Post by cheup on Oct 23, 2004 19:38:46 GMT 1
Does that mean leaders and companions/minons can only be destroyed in combat if you don't leave any reaguard behind? This is an empty question (I mean no harm with that statement ), because you may not leave leaders, companions or minions behind without a reargurad, when you are attacking. Yes, that's right! Only leaders, etc. which participated in the battle can be destroyed.
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Post by Veldrin on Oct 23, 2004 20:57:55 GMT 1
Red Simon what you are asking is this right?
If I leave one Regular unit as a rear guard and then attack with the rest of the units and the Leaders/Companions and I lose all the attacking units can the Leaders/Companions safely retreat to the rear guard?
If that is your question the answer is no.
All Leaders/Companion participating in the attack are eliminated if all units are destroyed.
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