2 questions: place and flip / fords

[grogh]

Hello,

I have made a few games with "battles of the third age" (Rohan and Gondor), had some questions on the rules and carefully checked the FAQ and this forum to get answers. I was very glad to find answers to all my questions, but while reading the different messages, I now have 2 new questions on points I thought were clear!

1. Topic "Place and flip!"
In this topic, it is explained that, for Gondor battle and with the "place and flip" event card, it is possible to use ANY recruitment token in ANY shadow army, ie.evil men with a Sauron army. It is also explained that Rohan can not do the same, so I understand that FP can only place and flip Gondor token inside ANY army?

But, on p. 28 of the rulebook, it is written:
ADDING UNITS TO AN ARMY USING A “PLACE AND FLIP” EVENT CARD
Some Event cards instruct a player to “place and flip” a recruitment token in an Army in play. This means that the player:
1) picks a Recruitment token belonging to the same Nation of at least one Unit in the Army, then
2) flips the token to see the correct number or type of Unit to place, then
3) places the newly recruited Unit(s) in the chosen Army.

This is were I am lost! The rulebook seemed quite clear, and point 1 is in contradiction with the explanation found on the forum. Which is the correct rule?

2. Topic "WHEN is a stronghold breached"
On this topic, there is the following answer (on border types): "The wall provides protection for Armies inside, but the wall itself will not damage an Army for retreating across it. Only streams and fords do that."

My question is on fords: the french rulebook only mentions damages when retreating through streams. Is there also a damage when retreating through fords?

Thanks.

[genghissean]

1. rohan cannot place and flip cuz they have not arrived in the area yet in the Gondor scenario. Everybody else is the same like normal as per rules.

2. Yes, you must take damage retreating accross a river, only possible if there is a "Ford" there.

ps. The Gondor scenario is broken. After you have played a couple of times you need to add some of the house rules in this forum

[grogh]

Thanks for the answer.

[grogh]

Nov 17, 2009 21:08:25 GMT 1 genghissean said:

1. rohan cannot place and flip cuz they have not arrived in the area yet in the Gondor scenario. Everybody else is the same like normal as per rules.

Sorry but I still have a doubt when reading this answer
Once Theoden has arrived, is it still not possible to place and flip Rohan tokens in an army containing Rohan's riders? (if there are any token left!)

And an other question that was discussed a bit last time I played: action tokens can be played when FP has fewer action dice left than the shadow player. Does it include the case where the FP has played all his dices? Or is the FP considered as having finished his turn as soon as he plays his last dice, even if there are remaining token left? (we played the first possibility)

[Krieghund]

Nov 25, 2009 22:59:51 GMT 1 grogh said:

Sorry but I still have a doubt when reading this answer
Once Theoden has arrived, is it still not possible to place and flip Rohan tokens in an army containing Rohan's riders? (if there are any token left!)

Yes, it is.

Nov 25, 2009 22:59:51 GMT 1 grogh said:

And an other question that was discussed a bit last time I played: action tokens can be played when FP has fewer action dice left than the shadow player. Does it include the case where the FP has played all his dices? Or is the FP considered as having finished his turn as soon as he plays his last dice, even if there are remaining token left? (we played the first possibility)

The Free Peoples player may still play an Action Token as long as the Shadow Player has Action Dice remaining. After the last Action Die is played, the round is over.

[grogh]

Nov 25, 2009 23:41:33 GMT 1 Krieghund said:

Nov 25, 2009 22:59:51 GMT 1 grogh said:

Sorry but I still have a doubt when reading this answer
Once Theoden has arrived, is it still not possible to place and flip Rohan tokens in an army containing Rohan's riders? (if there are any token left!)

Yes, it is.

Thanks. But I am not a native english speaker, and unfortunately still have a doubt when reading this answer
"is it still not" => "yes it is", does it mean
- yes it is possible to place and flip once Theoden has arrived?
- or yes it is still not possible to place and flip once Theoden has arrived?

If it's possible to clarify one last time, I would appreciate

[Krieghund]

Yes, in the Gondor scenario, it is possible to place and flip Rohan Recruitment Tokens in an Army that is in a Region (not a Recruitment Area) on the board and contains at least one Rohan unit once Theoden is (or has been) in play, assuming there are any such tokens remaining.

[grogh]

Thanks!