Pav
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Post by Pav on Nov 9, 2004 10:59:46 GMT 1
Hello, i'm new here :-) please forgive me my english, i'm from Poland :-)
i have a few questions abaut this game:
1. Siege: If Enemy army besieged stonghold battle lasts 1 turn. In the next turn the battle contiunes without anything or the atacking player must use Character die or Army Die to attack?
2. Fellowship Can fellowship of the ring be killed or only corruption 'kill' fellowship?
3. Fight :-) In region are: SP Army, FP Army, Fellowship of the ring (with companions), SP attacks FP. my question: Fellowship are apart of this battle (can use companions abilities) or not?
4. How can i kill companions?
Many thanks for your answer. Pav
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Post by dougadamsau on Nov 9, 2004 11:23:06 GMT 1
Hi Pav, Your English is better than my Polish, so don't apologise 1. Yes, next round/turn continue the siege with a character or army die. 2. Corruption "kills" the members of the fellowship. Some cards perhaps also... not sure. 3. The fellowship ignore all fights between armies. 4. Companions are killed when they are in a battle and all their army units are removed as casualties.
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Post by nigel on Nov 9, 2004 11:39:06 GMT 1
2. Corruption "kills" the members of the fellowship. Some cards perhaps also... not sure. 3. The fellowship ignore all fights between armies. On 2 - Lure of the Ring can kill a companion (if the FP chooses not to take the corruption), as can Foul Thing From the Deep. On 3 - some combat cards require the Fellowship to be in the region of the battle - It is a Gift, don't think there are others. Nigel
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Pav
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Post by Pav on Nov 9, 2004 11:48:13 GMT 1
Hi :-) Thanks for a kind words about my english :-) i can teach you polish if you want :-) ok, i understand everything :-) Thanks vary much :-) If 2 of companions are leaders of an army, ability od all companions (as leaders) is usable in one battle? What the FP declare in the Fellowship Phase? (hide, heal?) and finally last questions :-) i have a problem with hunt: 1. When i roll to check hunt? In the begining of Action Round? or in the end of this round? 2. Last known position of Fellowship is for example - Fangorn, and SP have na army there. Fellowship track is on 0. In this situation succesfull hunt is on 5 or 6 on die? There is any other situation with SP army and fellowship? 3. There is a Card - Balrog Of Moria (is usable when Fellowship is in the Khazad Dum). Haw can i know that the Fellowship is in the moria? ??
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Post by nigel on Nov 9, 2004 13:23:42 GMT 1
If 2 of companions are leaders of an army, ability od all companions (as leaders) is usable in one battle? Yes, just like you can use multiple leaders for re-rolls you can use multiple companions in a battle for leader re-rolls and their abilities. In the Fellowship phase you can switch the current guide of the Fellowship (only the current guide can use their ability, so at the start you can pick between Strider and Gandalf to guide the Fellowship). You can declare the (new) position of the fellowship - and if the Fellowship is in a FP city or stronghold you can heal. If the Fellowship is declared in a city or stronghold of an inactive nation the nation activates. Hiding is different - when revealed (not 'declared' they are different) you have to decide where the fellowship is and then reset the progress marker to 0 and flip it over to the red side. While revealed you can't MOVE the fellowship at all - instead you can use a dagger action die to hide (flip the marker back to the ring side). Neither - roll as soon as the Fellowship 'move' by using an action die - if you get one or more '6' results you draw a hunt tile. Rule is different when the Fellowship is in Mordor, then you draw a tile automatically each time the fellowship 'moves' (no need to roll). You've got confused. Hunt is always on a '6'. The fellowship track is irrelevant, the only important thing is the location of the fellowship marker - if the Fellowship marker is in the same region as a nazgul then the shadow get a re-roll, the same region as a shadow army, shadow gets another re-roll, and if the marker is in a shadowhold again another re-roll. If you move the fellowship multiple times in a turn it gets progressively easier to find them - at the end of each movement/hunt you put the dagger action die in the hunt box, when you roll for the hunt you get +1 to the roll for each blue die there from previous moves. Eg. Fellowship is in Hollin, Nazgul is in the area, progress is on 1. 2 'Eye' dice in the hunt box. You move the fellowship, I roll 2 dice, with 1 re-roll (for the Nazgul) needing a 6. Progress now on 2. You move again, I roll 2 dice, with 1 re-roll (for the nazgul) but as you moved already this turn there's a blue die in the hunt box so I get +1 on all my hunt rolls (effectively I need a 5 or a 6). If they declare in Moria (not likely!) or if you get a reveal result on the hunt and the FP player reveals the location of the Fellowship and shows the path of movement - if this path goes through Moria then you can use the Balrog - also note if the path goes through (or to, or from) a shadow stronghold you immediately get to draw and apply another hunt tile ;D Make sense? Nigel
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Pav
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Post by Pav on Nov 9, 2004 13:45:15 GMT 1
Yes, just like you can use multiple leaders for re-rolls you can use multiple companions in a battle for leader re-rolls and their abilities. ok, i understand.. but in that case, what is 'declare'. Is this means, that player controls FP must say where the fellowship is? Please explain me what is 'declare'... i thought that fellowship is hidden, and the SP doesn't know where fellowship is... Eg. Fellowship is in Hollin, Nazgul is in the area, progress is on 1. 2 'Eye' dice in the hunt box. You move the fellowship, I roll 2 dice, with 1 re-roll (for the Nazgul) needing a 6. Progress now on 2. You move again, I roll 2 dice, with 1 re-roll (for the nazgul) but as you moved already this turn there's a blue die in the hunt box so I get +1 on all my hunt rolls (effectively I need a 5 or a 6). Thanks a lot!! :-) i finally understand this :-) and please tell me, Nazgul gives me re-roll and any SP army gives me too re-roll? If they declare in Moria (not likely!) or if you get a reveal result on the hunt and the FP player reveals the location of the Fellowship and shows the path of movement - if this path goes through Moria then you can use the Balrog - also note if the path goes through (or to, or from) a shadow stronghold you immediately get to draw and apply another hunt tile ;D I thank you :-)
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Post by nigel on Nov 9, 2004 14:16:47 GMT 1
ok, i understand.. but in that case, what is 'declare'. Is this means, that player controls FP must say where the fellowship is? Please explain me what is 'declare'... i thought that fellowship is hidden, and the SP doesn't know where fellowship is... Okay. The fellowship figure shows the last 'known' location of the fellowship - so that's where the Shadow puts figures to give re-rolls (Nazgul and armies) and the location for event cards etc. When the fellowship moves the figure doesn't instead the progress chart is used to show how far from the figure the actual fellowship is/could be. During the turn you might be forced to 'reveal' in which case the FP decides where the fellowship has moved to (path taken) and moves the actual figure and resets the chart to zero and flip the marker to show it's revealed (not hidden) you can NOT move the fellowship to a FP settlement if you're revealed. However during the Fellowship phase the FP can decide to 'declare' the location of the fellowship, which works just like a reveal except you don't flip the marker over, and you can move to a FP settlement if you want (and can reach it). Why do this? Well as answered previously: If in a city/stronghold you can heal a corruption, If in a city/stronghold you can activate the nation it belongs to You actually move the fellowship figure, so you can move it away from nasty shadow nazgul and armies that are giving your opponent re-rolls in the hunt. When you declare the fellowship it's still 'hidden'. If you need a story explanation - rumors of the Fellowship's progress get to Sauron when you declare, but you get actual news of the fellowship's location when they are revealed (ie. not hidden). Right, maximum of 3 re-rolls. 1 for a nazgul (or more than one, doesn't matter) 1 for an army unit (or units doesn't matter) 1 if the fellowship figure is in a shadowhold Nigel
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Pav
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Post by Pav on Nov 9, 2004 14:29:52 GMT 1
Thank you Nigel :-)
you explain me a lot :-)
one more question yet, i promise :-)
When i reveal Fellowship (playing as SP), they cannot be at FP Settlement. But if they declare the position, FP player moves Fellowship figure to a declared position and it can be FP settlement. (but don't flip the marker)
am i think right?
Ok, what's the really difference between Hidden and Reveal. On Reveal Player who controls FP can move Fellowship? or he must hide them first? any other difference?
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Post by darkman on Nov 9, 2004 15:50:34 GMT 1
Pav,
You are correct. If the Fellowship is revealed, they can't move again until the FP hides them using a 'sword' action die (or any die if Strider is guiding). Also, there are several nasty cards that the Sauron can play on a revealed Fellowship.
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Post by nigel on Nov 9, 2004 15:57:12 GMT 1
When i reveal Fellowship (playing as SP), they cannot be at FP Settlement. But if they declare the position, FP player moves Fellowship figure to a declared position and it can be FP settlement. (but don't flip the marker) am i think right? Yes you're right. The Fellowship can be either hidden or revealed - if hidden then the progress marker is ring side up and could be on any bit of the track - indicating how far from the region with the Fellowship figure the fellowship has actually moved. If revealed then it's red side up and MUST be on the 0 of the progress chart, and the fellowship is in the region currently indicated by the figure. Only slight complication is it changes in Mordor - when in Mordor you don't move on the progress chart, instead move the Fellowship figure (not the marker) on the chart printed in Gorgoroth on the game board. You still use the marker (left on the zero) to indicate if the fellowship is hidden or revealed. If revealed you can't progress in Mordor, you have to hide first. Nigel
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Pav
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Post by Pav on Nov 10, 2004 7:47:33 GMT 1
Thank you :-) Yesterday i've played this super game :-) and i have other questions :-) 1. If The fellowship is reveal, what abaut the Hunt Phase? I must roll die to hunt the fellowship or hunt is already succesfull? 2. When in the region of fellowship is Nazgul. I have one re-roll. With all dice or one? (Succes is on 6) 3. How can I reinforcement the army under siege? ex1. In Dol Guldur i have 5 army (max), i lost the battle with casualties of 1 army. How can i reinforce this army??? ex2. My armies are in moria under siege (left side od Misty Moutains), can i reinforce this army with units on the right side od Misty Mountains (Dimrill's dale). They can pass through Halls od Khazad Dum and join the army :-)
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Veldrin
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Post by Veldrin on Nov 10, 2004 9:21:25 GMT 1
1. You cannot move the Fellwoship when they are Revealed, you must use the Character action diee to hide them before you move them.
2. If there is one or more Nazgûl present in the same Region as the Fellowship miniature you get one re-roll, If there is one or more army units present in the same Region as the Fellowship miniature you get one re-roll and If there is a Shadow Stronghold in the same Region as the Fellowship miniature you get one re-roll.
3. You cannot reinforce armies under siege by moving units there. If moved there they would be forced to attack the army laying siege to the Stronghold. However, all event cards that allow you to recruit troops in Strongholds can be used to reinforce Strongholds under siege.
If Moria is under siege and you play a card that allows you to muster in Moria you can place the units in Moria even if it is under siege.
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Pav
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Post by Pav on Nov 10, 2004 9:45:24 GMT 1
1. You cannot move the Fellwoship when they are Revealed, you must use the Character action diee to hide them before you move them. Ok But what abaut Hunt? Still Sauron Hunting for the ring? In the first round my hunt is succesfull, on the hunt tile is mark "Reveal", Fellowship is now reveal. In the second round FP player doesn't use the action die to hide the fellowship. SP have a hunt phase? Did the HUNT is when the fellowship are moving only? When fellowship is stay, SP doesn't have Hunt Phase? 2. If there is one or more Nazgûl present in the same Region as the Fellowship miniature you get one re-roll, If there is one or more army units present in the same Region as the Fellowship miniature you get one re-roll and If there is a Shadow Stronghold in the same Region as the Fellowship miniature you get one re-roll. ok, i understand this... but... SP put 3 dies in hunt box, so SP use 3 die roll to hunt the fellowship. for example SP roll 2,4,5 (0 success'), but in this region Nazgul is present too. How many dies can the SP re-roll
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Post by nigel on Nov 10, 2004 9:51:05 GMT 1
Ok But what abaut Hunt? Still Sauron Hunting for the ring? In the first round my hunt is succesfull, on the hunt tile is mark "Reveal", Fellowship is now reveal. In the second round FP player doesn't use the action die to hide the fellowship. SP have a hunt phase? Did the HUNT is when the fellowship are moving only? When fellowship is stay, SP doesn't have Hunt Phase? Right you ONLY hunt when the fellowship move (or attempt to move in the case of Mordor) - but a revealed fellowship is a target as a number of Shadow event cards need the fellowship revealed. Furthermore if you don't move the fellowship then it's going to be hard to win as the FP ... 1 die only. If the region the fellowship figure is in had a nazgul and a shadow army you'd re-roll 2 dice. Note if you only had one die in the hunt box you wouldn't get to re-roll it twice in this case! Nigel
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Pav
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Post by Pav on Nov 10, 2004 10:19:59 GMT 1
Thanks, Very much :-)))
it's all clear to me now.
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