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Post by nigel on Nov 8, 2004 11:29:23 GMT 1
A (dumb?) question on retreats:
Can you retreat into a region containing a stronghold under siege if it's your side that's doing the siege? (niffty way of reinforcing the siege!)
Nigel
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Post by cheup on Nov 8, 2004 11:36:51 GMT 1
Yes, of course, why not!?
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Post by nigel on Nov 8, 2004 11:50:31 GMT 1
Yes, of course, why not!? Because of the rule on retreats: the defending player chooses to retreat, however, his Army must immediately retreat to an adjacent Region.
The chosen Region must be free from enemy units and may not contain an enemy Settlement (or a friendly Settlement captured by the enemy).In this case a Stronghold under siege is NOT free from enemy units (there's a mix of enemy and friendly) and the region certainly contains an enemy settlement (that's currently under siege). The question came up because of under siege the rule book also states: REINFORCING A SIEGE
While a Stronghold is under siege, the besieging player can move new troops into the Region as if it were a free Region. This is considered a movement, not an attack.But retreats are not specificially covered - hence it's possible to argue you can from the rulebook ('reinforcing a seige') and also you can't ('retreat from battle') So perhaps it's not as clear cut as first appears? Nigel |
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Post by cheup on Nov 8, 2004 19:39:42 GMT 1
You are right, but I would say that this should be possible.
The game-balance will be not affected very much and it is quite realistic, also.
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Post by dougadamsau on Nov 9, 2004 1:09:20 GMT 1
I think you should be able to do this. You effectively control the area, just not the stronghold.
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Post by darkman on Nov 9, 2004 14:58:55 GMT 1
I disagree. And this, I think, is the key. The original question had to do with retreats and the retreat rule says you can't do it. Reinforcing a siege is movement and I would consider 'movement' to be an action taken on your own turn and costing an Action Die. Also, I'm not sure the besieged side is considered to be in 'control' of the region. He can't muster there. Good discussion, tho.  |
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Post by nigel on Nov 9, 2004 16:06:01 GMT 1
I disagree. And this, I think, is the key. The original question had to do with retreats and the retreat rule says you can't do it. Reinforcing a siege is movement and I would consider 'movement' to be an action taken on your own turn and costing an Action Die. Also, I'm not sure the besieged side is considered to be in 'control' of the region. He can't muster there. Good discussion, tho. Quite - hence my original question - some of the posters think you can, you (and me) think you can't ... rulebook is not explicit and given the fragmented layout I think you could argue it either way.  Guess we need one of the designers to make a ruling? Nigel |
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Post by gpruitt on Nov 9, 2004 16:35:35 GMT 1
I would argue that you should not be allowed to retreat into a besieging force.
My reasoning is that retreating military units generally attempt to retreat into areas of relative safety in order to rest and reorganize. A region in which an active siege is ongoing is not necessarily a region of relative safety. It feels a bit gamey to me to retreat into the front lines of a ongoing siege.
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Post by nigel on Nov 15, 2004 16:40:30 GMT 1
Answer to this is now in the FAQ - you can retreat into a region that contains an enemy stronghold that you have under siege:
Nigel
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