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Post by Bullroarer on Oct 22, 2004 17:30:27 GMT 1
In a game that I played over the past weekend I had a situation early in the game where as the SP I rolled 4 Event actions (the other 3 die being in the box). As it was early in the game and I knew that I would just have to discard some of the drawn cards at the beginning of the next turn I wanted to relinquish the actions. I can't find this discussed (yea or nay) anywhere in the rules.
A similar thing happened at the end of the same game where both the SP and FP players and decks were empty. All Event rolls had to be relinquished then because there was nothing that could be done. Is there a proper order involved here?
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Veldrin
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Post by Veldrin on Oct 22, 2004 17:48:09 GMT 1
Have I undertood this right?:
You want to discard an action die without actually doing what they allow you?
I have no idea, this has never happened to me, drawing new cards and discarding the least usefull is always better then doing nothing.
But since the situation can arrise where you can't draw cards and don't want to play a card. I guess these dice can be discarded like a normal action without any actual effect since the player-aid says that each action die can be used for their different purposes, it doesn't say you must.
[glow=green,2,300]Veldrin[/glow]
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Post by Bullroarer on Oct 22, 2004 18:54:10 GMT 1
You understood perfectly, and that is a good point on the wording in the Player's Aid but there have been mis-translations before.
Let me set the seen for you a little better though. It was the first turn of the game and my basic strategy was to hammer the Fellowship from the start, which I knew would untimately lead to a LOONNGG game (but it was even longer than I imagined in the end). So I have 2 cards from the initial draw and I roll 5* Event Action die. (Bad luck that.) As I drew the Event cards they all said "Play if Sauron/Saruman is at War". So I'm looking at the last 2 die knowing that I won't be able to use the cards and will have to discard them (my choice) unused at the beginning of the next turn. I just wanted to 'relinquish' the die rather than having to discard the cards.
(* I said 4 die in the original post, but it was 5 Event die rolls. I only put 2 die in the box the first turn because I wanted to 'lure' the Fellowship out. Very unlikely and unlucky, but that's the way the day went. At one point I went over 15 hunt rolls in a row without a hit.)
It was a strange set of circumstances true, but at the end of the game the same essential thing happened to both players. I had slowed the progress of the Fellowship down so much (at the expense of the war effort) that there were no more cards left in any of the 4 decks. In that case of couse we HAD to discard the die unused because there was no way to use them.
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Veldrin
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Post by Veldrin on Oct 22, 2004 20:35:36 GMT 1
I think that one should be allowed to use a die without doing something, it can't hurt the opponent.
Play it like it if it works for you, I think it is fair!
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Post by cheup on Oct 23, 2004 19:33:39 GMT 1
(...) drawing new cards and discarding the least usefull is always better then doing nothing. (...) [glow=green,2,300]Veldrin[/glow] I do not agree with that. If you have only very good cards on your hand, then discarding even the least usefull will be not a nice thing. So, I agree that one should be able to use an action die to do nothing.
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