cumulative leadership

[kodakman]

the expansion game refers to cumulative results for a leader of an army. How does this work?
The leaders combat strenghth is 2 lets say, with a modifier of one, does the "cumulative" mean that everyone in the army with him gets the modifier? or just the leader?
same if more than one army member has a modifier in the shadow player army does the modifier only apply on the leader die roll?(if all shadow units have the modifier)

this maybe obvious but i want to be clear. thanks

[Veldrin]

It measn that a character has two kinds of leadership, one that is used if he leads the army, and another one that is used when he supports another leader.

If he has 1/+2

He would add one reroll as the leader of the army but add two rerolls if another leader lead the army.

[kodakman]

Sorry, Im still not getting it.

the modifier i thought was to add the modifier total to each die roll. leadership is to reroll. am i not correct?

so if i have 5 shadow guys in army and each has a modifier of 1 do they all get plus one on their respective die rolls?

similarly if a leader is the commander and has 4 others with him, do the others get the modifier?

ie: how many dice refers to command strength, leadership refers to rerolls and modifiers refer to what to add to each dice...right?

I think the word cumulative has got us confused.

[Krieghund]

The modifiers refer to Leadership, not to combat dice. Each Character and Leader has a Leadership Rating and a Leadership Modifier. The Rating is used when the figure is the Commander (primary Leader) of the Army. Any other Characters and/or Leaders in the Army are designated as Champions (secondary Leaders), and their Modifiers are added to the Commander's Rating to get the total Leadership of the Army.

For example, an Army with two Characters with Leadership values of "2/+1" and one Leader with a value of "1/+1" would have a Leadership of 4 (2 + 1 + 1) if one of the Characters were the Commander, and a Leadership of 3 (1 + 1 + 1) if the Leader were chosen as Commander for some reason.

[kodakman]

sorry for being too thick about this....

Im interested in the battle results as it applies to the modifiers. expansion rules rohan scenario.

orignal rules say that how many dice you throw refers to command strength, leadership refers to rerolls(white dice u throw) and modifiers refer to what to add to the leaders dice. did this change for the expansion rohan scenario?

if i have 5 shadow armies attacking 5 free peoples armies how do i set up the dice if i have a single free leader 1/1 with 4 calvary and the shadow are all five 1/1 with 3 leadership chips.
thanks

[Krieghund]

Jan 11, 2012 10:55:52 GMT 1 kodakman said:

orignal rules say that how many dice you throw refers to command strength, leadership refers to rerolls(white dice u throw) and modifiers refer to what to add to the leaders dice. did this change for the expansion rohan scenario?

Combat dice modifiers refer to what to add to the results of the Combat Roll, the Leader Re-roll, or both, as specified by the effect. These exist in both the original game and the campaign games (Rohan and Gondor). However, what we're talking about here are Leadership modifiers, which only exist in the campaign games. These add to the total Leadership of an Army, and have nothing to do with modifying dice results.

Jan 11, 2012 10:55:52 GMT 1 kodakman said:

if i have 5 shadow armies attacking 5 free peoples armies how do i set up the dice if i have a single free leader 1/1 with 4 calvary and the shadow are all five 1/1 with 3 leadership chips.
thanks

The Shadow Army will have Combat Strength of 5 (rolling 5 Combat dice). Its Leadership is 3. One of the Leadership tokens will act as Commander (it doesn't matter which, because they're all the same) and provide its Leadership Rating of 1. The other Leadership tokens will act as Champions and add their Leadership Modifiers of +1 each to the total Leadership. The result is 3 (1 + 1 + 1), so the Army will get to re-roll up to 3 failed Combat dice in the Leader re-roll.

The Free Peoples Army will also have Combat Strength of 5 (rolling 5 Combat dice). Its Leadership is 1. The Leader will act as Commander (as there are no other Leaders or Characters) and provide its Leadership Rating of 1. There are no other Leaders or Characters to act as Champions, so no Leadership Modifiers are added to the total Leadership. The result is 1, so the Army will get to re-roll up to 1 failed Combat die in the Leader re-roll.

[kodakman]

thanks much. I guess the rules for the campaigns changes the flavor. appreciate the time. Ill get to those other rules later...

[boeingman59]

I am kodakman's gaming bud and we're going crazy trying to make sense of these rules. We were trying to use the original rules from the War of the Ring, but the section on leadership modifiers didn't make much sense in the Battle of Rohan scenario. Anyway, in the Battle for Rohan scenario I have a free people's army consisting of Eomer 2/+1, Aragorn 1/+1, Gandalf 1/+2 and 2 Rohan riders against the Shadow Players army consisting of 1 Warg rider and 4 Half Orcs with 5 leadership tokens. I know the combat strength of each army is 5 and the Shadow Player has 5 leadership, but I'm nor sure how to calculate the Free Peoples army leadership or modifiers for either army. How are the modifiers added up and do they affect the results of the first round of combat dice or just leadership re-rolls or both or neither?

[gamesjart]

Ok, it is a little bit tricky if you are used to WOTR.
So the leadership amount, is purely used for the maximum number of combat dice (including manoeuvre dice) that can be re-rolled, every round of the combat (unless some characters are killed during the combat).

In you example the leadership would be calculated as:

The first value is the main leader value and you should take the largest value for that, in this case Eomer as he is the only character with 2. In theory, you don't have to take the character with the largest value, but I don't know of any circumstances why you would not.

The second value is what any other character can add as only one character is the main leader. So +1 for Aragorn and +2 for Gandalf. So your leadership value is 5, giving you the chance to roll all dice again but as there are only two riders this would be four dice (as riders have 2 combat strength).

If you want to check other scenarios to make sure you have got the right idea, the on-line program in the downloads section has the Battle for Rohan in it. If you move the characters to regions with armies, the leadership value is the last of the 3 values shown underneath the figures.

[kodakman]

OK thanks. I see now.
one last question...i hope. ;D
with the shadow army, since all have a +1 do they get to reroll all 5 as well? and are these with white dice?

Im assuming the 2 riders for free people take a reroll dice away because theyre -1?

[gamesjart]

Yes the shadow's leadership tokens are exactly the same as a 1/+1 leader, so it just equals the number of tokens up to the maximum of 5.

The colour of the dice is nothing to do with the leadership. You use white dice for the combat rolls of normal units and black dice for the rolls of units that have a tactical token used on them for that round (these are the manoeuvre dice).

In your example of 1 warg, 4 half-orcs and 5 tokens for instance. If the shadow player was using the great warg tactics he would roll 1 black dice, 4 white dice and then be able to reroll any that did not get the correct result. If he used the half-orcs tactic it would be 4 black dice, 1 white dice and again up to 5 re-rolls.

I am not sure what you mean about -1 for the riders? If you mean -1 less then the maximum of 5 dice then yes. You can only reroll as many dice as you had combat dice, 2 riders = 4 combat dice and a maximum of 4 rerolls, assuming at least 4 leadership is there.